Sound Off: Should Religious Groups Be Exempt From Birth Control Mandate?
Catholic Church and religious organizations are upset about the new federal birth control law; what is your opinion?
The Obama administration announced in January that it was moving forward with its new federal law mandating employers to include birth control and other reproductive services in its health care coverage.
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services guidelines require health insurance plans beginning on or after Aug. 1, 2012 to cover several women's preventive services, including birth control, with no co-pay.
The Obama administration said in late January that most health insurance plans must cover contraceptives for women free of charge, and it rejected a broad exemption sought by the Roman Catholic Church for insurance provided to employees of Catholic hospitals, colleges and charities, reported the New York Times.
Federal officials said they would give such church-affiliated organizations one additional year — until Aug. 1, 2013 — to comply with the requirement. Most other employers and insurers must comply by this Aug. 1.
On the weekend of Jan. 28, Catholic churches from coast-to-coast, reported USA Today, echoed with scorn for a new federal rule requiring faith-based employers to include birth control and other reproductive services in their health care coverage.
Judy Waxman of the National Women's Law Center, says easier access to contraceptives could prevent unwanted pregnancies and cut down on the number of abortions. "This is such a major step forward for women in this country," she told USA Today.
Father Larry Snyder, president of Catholic Charities USA, said he was "extremely disappointed" that the administration chose to ignore calls from religious institutions to broaden the exemption, according to published reports.
Let's hear from you. Should religious groups be exempt from the birth control mandate? Vote in the poll below and share your thoughts in the comments.
A.K.
12:43 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
You don't have to use it, it's just they'll cover if it if you decide so.
Rev. Kristian Baudler
12:54 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
The purpose of the law is to prevent employers from discriminating against their employees when it comes to health care options. Catholicism is seeking an exception in order to substitute Canon Law above the law of the land. Now imagine we were having this conversation about Sharia Law... Oy-ve! (Rev. KB)
c
2:00 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Wht percentage of Catholic hospitals doe nor PRESCRIBE contraceptives. I was getting them from a Catholic Hospital owned physician group as long a 25 years ago. Catholic hospitals & universities are not the same thing as churches/schools (exempt). Hospitals in particvular are already getting 505% of their income from the feds.
Jay Gonzo
4:20 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Contraception is not 100% effective, so you will still be funding abortions genius...
Step it up a notch for sexual activity. Don't forget that contraception does not prevent STD's. So lets continue the cycle of sexual addiction with more STD's and abortions. Sex in the city USA!!! Maybe everyone needs to be careful with their eyes and act more responsible. Get ready government can't and should not do it all. I can't take care of myself please help me Mr. President...I can't be stop myself sexually...I gotta have it all the time.
greatsouthbay
8:15 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Jay, You are obviously not a woman... there is no reason why, if contraception is considered a health need that it should be disallowed due to religious bug-a boo!!
I agree if with C if this was Sharia law and actually it might very well be, we would not be having this conversation, but it is the very sacrosanct Catholic Church so we have to hold our noses and just acquiesce? C'mon it is 2012!
Adam Gonzalez
12:21 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Obviously everyone hates the Catholic Church and is hoping it's left out to dry. Obama wants to get rid of the church that developed the first hospitals, the first schools and the first orphanages. If you can read this thank a catholic. Yes it's 2012, but He said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end". He does not change and guess what neither does the ending guys. Then it will be time to acquiesce to our Lord and He will decide where our actions have led us. To the church it's not a health issue its a moral issue. What ever happened to freedom of religion. Oh that's right...not for those Catholics. Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "The root principle of birth-control is unsound. It is a glorification of the means and a contempt of the end; it says that the pleasure which is a means to the procreation of children is good, but the children themselves is no good. In other words, to be logical, the philosophy of birth-control would commit us to a world in which trees were always blooming but never giving fruit, a world full of sign-posts that were leading nowhere. In this cosmos every tree would be a barren fig-tree and for that reason would have upon it the curse of God." Ponder that.
Jay Rettaliata
10:48 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
If the Catholic Church can't/shouldn't get an exemption from Obamacare mandates, perhaps someone can explain how/why thousands of oganizations, unions and corporations received exemptions from mandates imposed under Obamacare. I guess it's probably because the Church didn't contribute to Mr. Obama's re-election campaign.
John McDonough
6:55 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
This poll presents a false choice. It's clear that the churches themselves will get the exemption. The only issue is whether the hospitals and schools should get an exemption.
Tracey
7:38 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Being catholic. I still believe that te healthcare should cover birth control. No one has to use it. But it is their for them if they can not afford if. And for all you men the pull and pray works if the men have control over their body not necessarily the same control a wife has. sex is not bad in the catholic religion but having 19 children is not for everyone.
Irene
7:57 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
It's called BIRTH CONTROL for a reason. Do you really want the goverenment in CONTROL of birth? Do you want to find our nation like China one day? The government needs to stay out of CONTROL of the personal sexual lives of Americans. Some people are so dumb, can't look past their own sexual organs.
You should never ever want the government involved in forcing birth control on anyone, are you asking to lose your independance? You want to be viewed as cattle?
This is a major interference with a persons "right to choose" and the Catholic church chooses not to provide for anyones BIRTH CONTROL particularly if the government mandates it, yes that is a red flag people. Save your pennies, get rid of some of the little extras ladies and buy your own birth control, keep the government out of your intimate lives, smarten up!
Tom Gillen
9:45 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
....wow....
Joanne Hayes
8:23 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Seperation of church and state is why we can have religious freedom. Like it or not, Catholic hospitals are part of the Catholic church/faith. Being Catholic myself, I don't always agree with everything the Church states, but that is my choice. To force change upon the church is the beginning of forcing change anywhere the government chooses. And no, a Catholic hospital will not do an abortion or a tubal ligatiion. Will that be the next issue forced. There are other methods of birth control people can choose, condoms for one. Don't be so quick to decide on this issue, it could send us all down a slippery slope.
Jay Gonzo
7:17 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Thank you...people forget separation of church and state protects the country form government intrusion.
Irene
8:36 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Joanne we as a nation have been sliding down this slippery slope for years now, it's getting more slippery with each passing year. The word you chose, "FORCED" cannot be understated. I just hope people are careful about what they wish for.
Laurie
9:10 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Everyone seems to be missing the point. Birth control pills are also used for other reasons. Should a woman who needs them to control fybroids or endometriosis, not get covered for the medication that she needs, simply because she works for a catholic hospital? I think not. It makes me very sad that so few in this country look at the big picture anymore. As for Jay, what planet are you from? Just because someone wants to be responsible and not bring a child into this world that they cannot handle/afford, does not mean that they are sex crazy. If a married couple has several children, why should they have to take a chance on having another?
Hope Jackson
9:59 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
You've said it so well, and brought the 'big picture' into play, which I had not even considered.. the medication being used for fybroids or endomentriosis, and also to regulate improprer menstural cycles is often the same script as birth control. It simply makes sense, to offer this choice. Since the Catholic benevolent despots have been reversing and granting sainthoods and changing rules to meet the desires of the congregations, isn't it time this ridiculous, archaic law, written by a man and forced upon marriages, be done away with also? When I got married, my mother-in-law gave me a book about the 'rythm method of birth control' , approved by the Catholic church. Eleven months later I conceived my firstborn, at 19, I was hardly ready to be a parent.
Tom Gillen
10:03 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
just playing devil's advocate (no pun intended) - I think the thing that people may not agree with is the fact that these catholic hospitals, universities, heck any company out there for that matter (catholic or otherwise), don't have the choice. They are forced to provide this coverage. Personally I think they should be providing it regardless, and I'm not bothered by the requirement to provide this coverage....I think it's great.....but the soapbox a lot of people are using is simply the fact that nobody has the option to not provide this.
Tom Gillen
10:04 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
IMHO it's just another thing for people to complain about. What else is new
Patrick Cunningham
9:17 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Schools can not have prayer, we now have Winter Holiday Parties, and can't put crosses on Public land. Yet, now we have the Federal Government telling religious groups what they must provide. The premise behind Obamacare was to provide Healthcare to those who could not afford it. Now it is becoming more of a Socialistic agenda except that you are forced to pay for it. This is slowly becoming a errosion of Freedom of Choice in this Land of the Free. The Federal Government wants to tell you what to provide and if you make money it wants to spend it for you. Don't you find it strange that the Obama Administration can claim that Jesus wants you to pay more taxes, and then with the same breath tell Religious Organizations what to do, even if it's against their teachings or beliefs.
Hope Jackson
11:15 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Sorry, but I MUST write back, with my realization that if the Rhythm method was approved by the Catholic church over 40 years ago, as BIRTH CONTROL then what the hell are we taling about here? simply a different method of birth control being offered.
margaret
11:53 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
We're not necessarily talking about Catholics. I'm wondering how many Catholic hospitals could function if it had only Catholic nurses, doctors, janitors, etc. working there. They deserve to have a decent health care plan.
paintsflowers
12:46 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Can't you all see that this is the Big government getting into our bedrooms? Pretty soon, you watch all religious organizations will be told what to do. We can't pray in public schools, put up crosses, don't keep God in our pledge of allegiance, and I could go on. I saw this coming when we were promised that America would be fundamentally changed. And here we are with more to come if we don't stop the runaway train.
Anonymous
3:34 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
So sick of the religious right dictating what the government should do.
This is simply giving access to all women fairly. Nobody is forcing you to take it.
We already have socialized medicine, it is called medicare and medicaid. The former administration was "hands off" and the economy crashed and burned. Obama has done a great job of saving us from the financial sector collapse and has finally made some progress in broadening the medical insurance coverage available to all. The medical insurance industry has been a nightmare for a long time.
Chris Barcelo
4:04 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
The Government should constitutionally not be permitted to have a place in this regardless of religious concerns. It's an invasion of liberty. If you want such benefits you should seek work from an employer that provides it. If it really is in such demand by the people then the employer will be forced to provide it otherwise it would not be able sustain itself without it's 'labor' force. People should learn how to negotiate and take care of themselves rather then depending on the Government for such things. The problem with such policy is it creates a standard in which the Government can later claim the right to intervene. People vote with their choices and this is the smallest of ways our liberties are being let go. There are bigger issues that I feel are being overlooked as well. We have forgotten what Liberty is and how important it is in ALL facets and we continue willingly give it up.
paintsflowers
7:08 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Right on Chris! Don't you just love the hate that pours out of the left against the right?
The left want a socialist govt taking care of their every need. It's the religious organizations that feed the poor voluntarily, give 10% of their income to charity. I would love to know how much the others give of their bounty (no strings attached)
margaret
8:50 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
What makes you think religious organizations are "Conservative?" That's quite a stretch. There are liberals in all religious organizations. Wouldn't you like a non-Catholic janitor-ess who works in a hospital to be able to afford birth control (since she probably doesn't make enough to pay $1000+ for her pills on the salary she gets as a janitor) so that you (conservative that you are) won't have to support her children? I don't, don't, don't, don't get it!
paintsflowers
6:52 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
She can get them free from Planned Parenthood.
Eddie
7:46 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Contraceptives are available now for anyone who needs them. Why should the government be allowed to tell churches (Catholic or otherwise), businesses or people what they should or should not be doing? People really enjoy the "separation of church and state" when they're whining about a Christmas tree but when it's the other way around...watch out! Here come the crazy christians!
Obama is fundamentally a socialist, he believes the government is here to provide - the reality - it isn't.
Chris Barcelo
8:58 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Unfortunately it is much much deeper then that. While I agree that the left want a socialist government I believe both sides heavily do right now. Conservatives are damaging to our civil liberties as well.
It was both sides that passed NDAA allowing the president in the time of war to arrest, detain, charge, and murder without trial American citizens (can't wait till that's used by some one wrongly - if we even find out about it.). It was bot sides who passed the patriot act. And it's both sides who are attempting to pass internet 'reform'.
What is gong on right now is an attack on liberty itself whereas all of these problems are being blamed on Capitalism. True capitalism HAS NOT been allowed to operate since WWII and it's all this government intervention that is causing the havoc.
I can go on forever but I think one thing everyone over looks is that we cannot afford to keep up this spending regardless of what it's for. We now owe per citizen more then Greece by about 10,000 dollars and our Debt to GDP is above 100%. We are spending far more then we are putting out and china especially has stopped lending and started to sell our treasuries.
This could mean a disaster bigger then contraceptives at home.
Chris Barcelo
9:09 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
The democrats want socialism in terms of welfare and the republicans want it to feed the military industrial complex and continue to run around the world 'protecting' us. Far lives have now been lost to terrorism rather then by it. While I belive that we should find and punish those responsible I think we are doing it in the most costly and clumbsy way. Also I think any sitting President should have to seek approval from Congress and hence the people before starting a war. Both Bush and Obama love to bypass this.
People should be arguing over how we are going to make and handle these cuts rather then what our jobs should be giving us and how we can force them to. They should be figuring out the debt rather then having this notion that the Rich will finally pay their share and it will all be okay.
Chris Barcelo
9:09 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
As some one of the younger generation I'm both appalled and afraid for my future and my country. The value of the dollar is lost daily through inflation and devaluation and my 'debt' rises as the people continue to allow deficiet spending with no real reductions in the future. The government provides so much for us now, and not just since Obama, that I think we have no idea just how bad it is.
I see a lot of pain ahead especially by ways of inflation and trouble for our currency. I suggest strongly that you all REALLY look into this, vote Ron Paul as he's the ONLY candidate that will make any actual cuts and PREDICTED our housing market/financial crisis in 2003
Chris Barcelo
9:22 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Start here : (This is not Ron Paul or politics related)
http://youtu.be/v1U1Jzdghjk - About Economic Freedom
http://youtu.be/F4fWQnguR1E - The U.S. and Economic Freedom from BUSH to Obama
http://youtu.be/EgMclXX5msc - Why NO ONE should be surprised of the Meltdown (This is an hour long but VERY good to understanding what has happened and why).
Eddie
9:24 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
I'm pretty certain that Bush did get approval from Congress before going to war, but you're right on Obama, he did not. A vote for Ron Paul is just basically a vote for Obama. A third party candidate has absolutely zero chance of winning in the next election. I like his ideas on government but his foreign policy is so horrible that it doesn't matter.
Chris Barcelo
11:41 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Eddie, I think you are counting out many key factors. Ron Paul is the only one who remotely appeals to democrats or independents. Santorum has gone too far and made many afraid of his religious aims and Romney people fear is a flip flopping corporate friend (which he is).
If you take an honest look at the situation they are more of a vote for Obama then any other. Also so far as our foreign policy goes it is tremendously flawed and we frankly can't afford it anyway.
I do stand corrected in that Bush did get congressional approval to go to war but I should remind that the reasoning given to the people was found to be false. Nothing good has come out of any of this save the capture and termination of Bin Laden which Obama has accomplished.
Again I think you over look the most important issue of all. Our money. What is it worth if the Chinese stop the lending? What will happen then? All of the candidates save Ron Paul have any actual plan regarding this. The dollar simply cannot survive with the spending spree Bush started and Obama is accelerating at unprecedented levels. Socialism in welfare or warfare is not the answer. Government involving itself in the markets and picking which corporations are good and bad is not the answer. We need to return to sound money, constitutional foreign policy, and personal liberty. China is flourishing because we are driving everyone into their arms with our costly wars while they invest.
Brian
9:44 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
Someone made the comment about about all the organizations and unions that have received hundreds of exemptions from the mandates in Obamacare. Why can't the Catholic Church & Health System receive similar exemptions now? Look it up. There are hundreds of companies and many, many, unions that filed for exemptions. They lobbied to get Obama in office, then when he put through exactly what he said he would, they immediately filed for exemptions. This is a great reason why insurance, and many other 'things', should remain in private hands and not be run under a gov't umbrella. The federal gov't should not be in the business of forcing institutions or citizens to get anything, or buy anything, or support anything. For years and years the Catholic Health System worked 'perfectly' fine not offering contraception to employees (addresses those who posted above that a woman might need birth control pills for other medical issue). 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago this was pretty much a non-issue. Now, all of a sudden, everyone thinks the gov't should be providing (mandating) everything. The anger should be directed at a gov't that is out-of-control, over spends, and over steps its bounds. If you want these benefits, go work for an organization that provides them.
Chris Barcelo
11:46 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
I agree completely and it's amazing how much this is overlooked and people don't see that it's the Government subsidizing wall street, the banks, the bubbles, and causing all of these problems as we are reduced to wage slaves.
Let me sum it up:
Government insures banks.
Banks therefore aren't worried and aren't responsible, the Government will pick up the tab.
Malinvestment occurs and taxpayers bail them out.
To pay for this we ask other countries to lend us money on the promise that well pay them back.
When those bonds mature we simply sell more to pay for the debt we have to pay and print money / lower interest rates to keep up with the additional costs of this.
All while policing the world and telling everyone, including our citizens now, how to live.
How is this American and how does this make sense?
Also how does ANYONE on either side defend this?
Gary Weiner
10:23 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
It's important to note that religious groups - churches, mosques, etc. - are exempt from this mandate. Secular organizations that serve the public and employ people of various faiths are not.
Moreover, the mandate has been modified so that organizations that object to it may opt out and employees of those organizations may get coverage for birth control directly from the insurance companies who must provide it at no cost.
Chris Barcelo
11:50 am on Wednesday, February 29, 2012
No cost? That's impossible. If anything the cost of everyone would go up to make up the difference. Nothing is free and that's what people simply don't understand. The shell game of accounting we practice is ridiculous. Government should not impose on matters such as this. If the people demand it they should demand it they should seek a job that provides it. Jobs would then compete to be attractive to employees.
But this would never happen...
Wrong. If the government got out of the insurance game to begin with and got out of over regulation racket costs would go down and people could demand that. Costs are high because they have been driven to that point by through intervention in prices and regulation. If you have a product that is demanded by law you care not who wants it and what they're willing to pay. You can charge whatever you want. It's a win win.
I don't know about you but when I shop I choose what suits my need most as well as what is most cost effective. If my choices are rigged then how do I really have one?