.
Feedback

Suffolk's Finances Are in Peril: What's to Be Done?

With the County facing a three-year budget deficit of more than $500 million, Suffolk legislators have their own ideas about clawing back. What are yours?

For residents of Suffolk used to living in a county whose finances were in order, news this week of a $530 million budget deficit came as a shock. And they weren't alone.

After County Executive Steve Bellone on Tuesday declared a fiscal emergency, allowing him to immediately embargo up to 10 percent of funds in each County department’s budget, local legislators began assigning blame.

For starters, relative Democrative newcomer and a lax borrowing policy in the past.

"I’m not really a big proponent of borrowing money, I don’t feel like that’s the right thing to do, but unfortunately it has been done probably more than it should have," she said.

Legis. Jay Schneiderman, another Democrat, , and his staunch resistance to raising taxes.

In Dix Hills, came back to the county's pension problems. He said the county’s contributions increased by $200 million in 2010, and another $180 million in 2011. And since the new tax cap limits the amount of revenue the county can bring in, Stern said the state is going to have to step in and help to bridge the gap.

Meanwhile, Republican Legis. Ed Romaine focused on a local solution, that would sunset in four years.

RELATED: Bellone present the Task Force's report to the Suffolk Legislature.

So let us know in comments what you think needs to be done, and who is to blame for the county's fiscal mess.

Newsletter & Alerts

Get the best stories each day and important breaking news

Subscribe

Not from Half Hollow Hills Patch? Find your Local Patch »

Dan Ciccone March 11, 2012 at 05:31 pm
It seems the teacher bashers keep bashing with little or no true understanding of the challenges of education, and teacher advocates just keep defending the anachronisms in their contract, when the public workforce held little or no resemblance to the private sector.
Superintendents are also under fire, but I will tell you without hesitation that an experienced, skilled, progressive thinking superintendent of schools has tremendous value and is in short supply and great demand; especially, when six-figure classroom teachers exist. A-ha! A generally private sector term that depicts a free market economy – you right-wingers should embrace that, NO? No, you do not because it is being integrated with the public workforce; hence, therein lies the problem. As the public unions have successfully negotiated salaries that were somewhat equal to or greater than equally educated private sector workers, while holding onto the pensions, benefits and tenure rights that were the alluring piece of entering the public workforce from decades past, the contracts, and therefore the system, has become unsustainable. Battles are being fought. There is a lot of pressure on public unions and their legislative bedfellows are hiding out or running for cover. Positive Change is forthcoming – if only because there is no other choice.
We Heart Long Island March 11, 2012 at 05:35 pm
Dan, get ready. You are about to be accused of being a teacher. That's what I hear as soon as I support anyone associated with the schools. Most "taxpayers" don't know how their schools and government work. That's why these comments are all over the place. Good luck.
Dan Ciccone March 11, 2012 at 05:40 pm
Oh, and by the way... If we removed every school superintendent from Long Island, spending against all LI school districts cumulatively would be lowered by only 3/10ths of one percent. So, while sups salaries make headlines, and maybe rightfully so, that is not the reason your school taxes are so high - it is just good drama and makes good headlines for Newsday.
Ralebird March 11, 2012 at 05:48 pm
Actually, I was - wasn't that where you challenged someone to meet you at the library? It did not appear you had a book club in mind.
robkoz March 11, 2012 at 05:51 pm
Sorry, I don't see the "progressive" part of anything in socialized schooling. HIgh taxes, non contributing residents, students failing. There is no punishment for any of this. Only rewards. Just ask the law abiding taxpayers who are footing the bill about that. Let me know when the "positive change" get's here. I'll be waiting, voting and fighting.
Blackie Jones March 11, 2012 at 05:53 pm
It makes total sense to me that a population that disdains reading as much as the American population does would blame teachers when things start to go wrong. Who needs well paid teachers in a country where nearly 1/3 of the population is illiterate or barely literate? Obviously Americans just don't like/want to read books, as in 2007 80% of American families didn't buy or read a single book, period. Even college graduates don't want to read, as 42% never read a single book for the rest of their lives after they graduate (By the way, if you're wondering where I got these statistics from, I read them...in a book.) So obviously the market has spoken and Americans don't want to live in a country with a highly literate, well-educated and well-informed population. We'd prefer to remain the laughingstock of the Western World, ranking last or close to last (Among Western, industrialized countries) in international math and literacy exams, in infant mortality rates, in longevity, etc. So yeah, go ahead and slash social services left and right, layoff a ton of teachers, have 40-50 kids per classroom, support the invasion of more countries that you can't even find on a map, and most importantly privatize everything. It'll only hasten America's transition from international superpower renowned for its lack of corruption and high standard of education to a backwater banana republic with big guns and a vicious, semi-literate population. I guess that's what Americans really want.
Blackie Jones March 11, 2012 at 06:00 pm
By the way, Newsday is an amazing source of information, and any newspaper that devotes one page to international news and twelve pages to high school sports is obviously staffed with intellectual powerhouses who have a very nuanced view of the world that is in no way unduly influenced by their billionaire employers. All of the smartest people I know take Newsday's word as Gospel, and Newsday's op-eds are frequently discussed and given serious consideration by our top minds in Harvard and Yale classrooms.
Dan Ciccone March 11, 2012 at 06:09 pm
It certainly says a lot... This is a real battle because any pre-exisiting pension tier is protected by the NYS Constitiution and also protected as a property right under the US Consititution - a long legal argument, but accurate. That is why there are new tiers being discussed. However, we are talking at least a decade before you see any financial benefits from a new tier.
Additionally, in an earlier post someone brought up the Triborough Doctrine, which is an amendment to the Taylor law that keeps contracts inforce even after expiration. Therefore, the salary step tables that have been in contracts since early in the last century and pervasive in all New York State and beyond, continue to raise salary expenses even when negotiations are tough and ongoing for years. Now, put the tax cap in this equation and you find that the step salary increases plus the employer contributions to to the pension system alone will take a system beyond the allowable increase under the 2% tax cap. Only leaving cutting staff and/or services as an available option. Unless unions concede on certain points and the pension systems are reformed, the whole system eventually implodes. That is why I believe positive change is forthcoming. The only other alternative is the courts stepping in to assure another constitutional right - that every child is entitled to a free, adequate public education. Let's hope reason takes over before that happens.
Dan Ciccone March 11, 2012 at 06:22 pm
"Socialized Schooling" - Do you mean Public Education? America's commitment to the institiution of public education since our inception is a core principle that has made this a great nation. To depict public education as a special interest of socialists is a bit offensive to all Americans, past present and future.
John from Kings Park March 11, 2012 at 06:24 pm
With all due respect Ted, you come off as being a very self-righteous & complacent person. Perhaps if you turned your smugness down a few notches, people might just take you a little more seriously...
Dan March 11, 2012 at 06:26 pm
Ciccione - Thats the mentality that got us in this Jam in the first place with every organization saying "oh its only 3/10's of 1% , oh its only 1/10 of 1%" before you know it its billions and billions later. Let uncle sam cut me a check for 1/10 of 1/2% of the national debt and I'll stop complaining too!!!
Dan March 11, 2012 at 06:31 pm
Dont care if the whole paper is full of car ads - if they hit the nail on the head with one story someone did their job for the day.
Dan Ciccone March 11, 2012 at 07:31 pm
@ Dan
Don't get me wrong, I am not defending it, nor am I taking a side. I am just stating the fact that it is NOT the big money that everyone "seems" to believe it is... Is it an issue, sure, but it is not the big money that is making taxes rise to these unmanagble levels.
Blackie Jones March 12, 2012 at 07:27 am
@Dan I actually don't have too big of a problem with publications like Newsday or the New York Post because the propaganda is so aggressive and in-your-face that only an idiot or a mark/chump who enjoys being lied to and deceived would actually take it seriously in the first place. As far as I'm concerned Newsday and the Post are just outing the marks and the hopeless cases for me. Nobody with a certain degree of frontal lobe activity and awareness actually takes a Charlie Gasparino op-ed seriously, whereas that same person might take a David Brooks or Thomas Friedman or Paul Krugman op-ed very seriously indeed, which I have way more of a problem with. There's a certain degree of shamelessness to the Post or Newsday that is almost admirable, in its own disgusting kind of way. The Times and the Post both lie to you, but the Post lies in such an aggressive and trashy way that only an idiot would believe it. This is also why I have more of a problem with MSNBC than I do with Fox News. Publications like the Times or the Economist are like Pravda in that there's one layer there for the general public and then lots of between-the-lines subtext for party members to read into. The Economist's recent fold out on "financial innovation" is an amazing example of this.
Christina March 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Why is the Library tax more than the Fire Department tax? Libraries should go private.
Dan March 12, 2012 at 01:25 pm
You sound like a very intelligent person; when I figure out what you are ranting about I'll get back to you.
Meadow Lane March 12, 2012 at 01:45 pm
Robkoz is an ace ConMan (conservative) name caller. Last article he challenged me to a fisti-cuffs outside the Nesconset Library. A real gent, our Rob.
Mary Beth March 12, 2012 at 02:19 pm
?????!!!! What is wrong with people on these boards?! Let's eliminate public schools and libraries and turn them over to for-profit private companies whose only concern is bottom line! What's next, museums and arts? Buses and subways? THINK PEOPLE!
Dan March 12, 2012 at 03:07 pm
Nobody has said eliminate, they are just saying get control over the spending. Stop with the blank checks (or blank bonds -since they borrow the money) - what do you do at your house when you spend more than you earn. oh, I know you go to your boss and say "give me more money cause I need it" and poof problem solved!!!
We Heart Long Island March 12, 2012 at 03:14 pm
@Mary Beth - Unfortunately this is them "thinking". Fortunately they are the minority.
robkoz March 12, 2012 at 08:44 pm
Wow. Paranoid much? First off, I'm not a conservative. Second off, I invited many to come to the Library to debate Altschuler vs Bishop. Get your fact straight before slandering someone publicly. Who invites someone to the library to fight? Third, the name calling started with everyone else as it did here. The proof is already here, Concerned Citizen calling me a Nazi. But I guess that's OK to call someone a Nazi as long as no one is insulting you right? Sorry but usually the liberals are the first to start slandering. It's probably the reason OWS had so many arrests, violent acts, and acts of destruction and the Tea Party had none of those.
E Baum March 13, 2012 at 12:02 am
Can public pensions be frozen without opening the New York State constitution? Perhaps it is a partial solution. I must admit, I am not 100% certain as to how the pension system works. There has been a great deal of discussion as to the wonderful percentage gains pension funds have made over the years. I think everyone was okay with the way it was going until the stock market fell. Can we assume that when it gets back to doing better, the pension fund will too? Maybe the pension payment should be a lower percent and when the market does well, the pension payment is a little higher for the retiree. Also, people should not be able to retire and collect a full pension after 20 or 30 years. If a person starts work at 23, under our current system jobs that get full benefits at 20 years could have a person retire at 43! yikes- something just doesn't seem right about that. Maybe I am missing something. I am pretty sure they cannot collect but I suspect it adds additional strain to the system.
E Baum March 13, 2012 at 12:03 am
to continue: I also agree that Long Island is business unfriendly. The Shybunko family has had a defense business in Hauppauge forever and is really considering leaving. The kids grew up here, went to school here and have deep roots here, but I think they are seriously considering leaving. So many businesses are leaving for states that do not choke them with taxes and regulation. Just tonight I said to my husband that Nassau and Suffolk should share services. It certainly would not/ should not reduce things by a half, but maybe a quarter. Maybe we should think of creating a Long Island Amazon- like website. If all the businesses offered free shipping, perhaps we could bolster Long Island's revenues too. I have been to many places and I always come back to Long Island. We have so many wonderful things here that are not so accessible in other places. we just need to be creative to come up with ways to make it more affordable for residents and businesses.
Larry May 7, 2012 at 11:36 am
Any body that says its not the employee compensation thats responsible for the current position we are in just does not deal with reality very well. What else is it? Are there more aministrators in this country than workers, I don't think so. ( not to say administrators don't need to be be gone after too.) Listen you might not like it and I don't like it, people need jobs and these jobs although not super great paying advance at a for greater rate than the AMerican taxpayer can keep up with. Its just the way it is, it was a bad system that was created. When it was created America was thriving but ask your selves these questions. Would you ever put yourself financially into a position where you would guarantee someone benefits for the rest of their lives afte only working in some cases 20 years. Lets say you had a landscaper and he said lets make a deal, i will cut your lawn for less than the other guys however you have to give me an increase in pay of only 2% and and contribute to my pension and healthcare, if that pension decreases in value you have to make up the differnece, and you also have to pay me my pension and health care for the rest of my life when i retire after 30 years Lets ask all the goverment employees if their landscapers came to them and offered that deal would you take it?
Larry May 7, 2012 at 11:36 am
No way, well thats what we are faced with and you can talk about administrators all you want and there is an argument however it does not even pale in comparison as to what is being paid to the total of government employees..
K May 7, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Term limits are the only answer. It will save us from people who continually vote in the same inept bureaucratic hacks that have no real incentive to fix anything.
Preliator May 7, 2012 at 04:59 pm
Sorry to comment so late, but why would you fire just non-union workers? Just curious.
John Gruber May 7, 2012 at 05:05 pm
how does this surprise anyone? Spending money you don't have is the american way
John S May 7, 2012 at 05:29 pm
Shame on you Suffolk County! I AM CHRISTOPHER PHILLIP AND I HAVE OPINIONS!! Do you proof read or just get angry and hit enter after awhile?
scott a mathies September 8, 2012 at 05:09 pm
The Suburban model doesnt work anymore and in Suffolk it has continued to fail and go down drastically for 20 years. There are demographic problems, one is the highly economically active group, both in spending and working, the population group of your 25 to 35 year olds, this group over the last 20 years has chosen to leave Suffolk County since 1990 Suffolk has lost approximately 25%. This group would grow by 25% in 10 year increments during good economic growth eras. You wonder where your tax revenue has gone? And there is more,, bless our father's and mother's group, the retirees have grown by 20% give or take every 10 years, they revceive a lot of services that the "younger group should support." Its top heavy. The resolve can only be aggressive growth, and this can only be done with changing the Suburban Model into a New Urban Model through a New Urbanism Development Plan. Suffolk County has an incredible amount of potential with the mass transit system, other areas of the country dream of such a service for this growth. New Urbanism is a movement that is re-vitalizing the rest of this Nations economically depressed areas, there is no reason not to allow this movement in Suffolk it is the key for survival. Patchogue is starting a fair attempt to draw in people of this lost demographic and through New Urbanism. Villages need to follow and Suffolk County needs to promote New Urbanism. http://suffolkcountyny.gov/Portals/0/planning/CompPlan/vol1/Vol1_FrontEnd_Re082211.pdf
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something